Who's crystal clear and who's all wet when it to comes to Minnesota weather forecasters?
Saturday, October 17, 2020
2020 Winter Seems Close at Hand
Snow showers are beginning to dot the local weather forecasts. It's inevitable and pretty much on time. What are your thoughts about the upcoming winter?
Okay, friends of the weather. Here is what NOAA is cranking out for the Twin Cities Metro Tuesday, Oct 20: "Tuesday: Snow showers before 2pm, then rain and snow showers. High near 39. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible." We shall see! Maybe it's time for PWL to start dancing.
First, welcome everyone to another hopefully fun-filled season here at TMF! I hope everyone is staying safe and was able to enjoy the "off season". As for Tuesday, it is appearing at least a couple inches for the southern half of MN is looking likely. As always, time will tell! Let's get this season off to a snowy start!!
Newest GFS showing 6+ in and around the metro for Tuesday. Interesting times if that occurs. Would be the largest earliest snowfall EVER! Go big or go home!!
So the latest 12z models are in for Tuesday and they ALL show a healthy amount of snow as follows: -EURO 6+ -NAM 8+ -GFS 4+ -UKMET 7+ -GDPS(Canadian) 5+
Keep in mind 10/29/1905 was the last time we received 4+ in the Twin Cities(5.5”)
That 1905 date was the earliest 4” or more. We have received lesser snow amounts before 10/29, but this Tuesday COULD shatter the “earliest” significant snowfall. We shall see.
Oh my goodness!! This didn't come out of nowhere, but seems to be gaining strength in a surprising fashion!!
My dancing shoes are being dusted off and shined as we speak. The dancing will commence shortly. I might need to take this slowly as I am in "out of season" form, but trust me....dancing will happen very soon. Very soon!
Not to look ahead at all. But I seen on novaks page that some forecasters are already talking about a possible deadly blizzard next weekend with 1-2 feet of snow...I dont know how accurate it is but holy cow if that happens...
Looks like we’re still step up for our first dose of significant snows of the season for tomorrow and a record breaker for so early in a season. All the models I mentioned yesterday still have anywhere from 6-8+” from their 12z model runs.
Thursday appears to be a strictly rain maker for the metro with perhaps a bit of snow to finish(good, health snows with this one in northern MN)
Late Saturday/Sunday could be another significant snow maker for Minnesota, with indications currently having Southern MN more inline for that snow.
Just watched most of Novak's video on FB. I like the one comment of 'Where's Bill?' Looks to be a wild week, and he said for those who don't get 'enough snow' tomorrow to be happy that there are more chances through the weekend with possible thunderstorms Thursday, esp. in the southern part of the state. Roller coaster to be sure. He's still got the metro in the 3-5" tally. And he may do an update video tomorrow. Maybe he will come onto the blog here, and I hope I got my facts straight!
So what’s the dealio with the potential weekend storm? Novak is being a bit cryptic with how people should make plans, but he also called talk of a mega storm “fake news.” Thoughts? I’m a follower but not someone with the time to analyze models.
Those that were posting about a mega storm were showing run total snowfall amounts, that indeed showed close to 2 feet per the Gem, but remember that was the total for two storms. Seems as if the models are starting to show higher QPF for tomorrows event. We could see some pretty good dynamic cooling from the precip falling through the column. Wouldn't be surprised to see a upgrade to a warning.
Some subtle changes to the going forecast as the snow is about to fly in regards to any upgrade to a warning. Forecast snowfall increased to 5-7” from the original 3-5”. Also this was discussed in this morning’s AFD.... Hi- res models indicate the potential for a band of slightly higher accumulations (pushing Warning-criteria amounts) as 700-600mb mid- level frontogenesis flourishes between 18Z-21z as corroborated by an impressive pocket of progged -15C omega over central MN.
Going to be an interesting day with some surprises!
I would be surprised to see us upgraded to a warning. The ground is still warm; it will take awhile to stick and it will melt from the bottom up. I don't think the travel impact will be warning criteria, but I'm glad my husband is working from home today!
As Randy and I suspected, we now have a WINTER STORM WARNING going right thru the heart of the metro!! Maybe,just maybe PWL will get his wish and break the October record!
Snowing moderately in Maple Grove/Plymouth. Everything is white! Too bad it looks like Thursday's storm will wash it all away. Although, I concede today's snowfall is early even for the metro, given the average high temperature now is still in the mid-50's. However, a guy can still dream!! Let it snow!
What a sweet snow event. KARE11 reports that the 7.4" at the MSP airport breaks a daily record AND is the most snow recorded this early AND pulls into second place as 2nd snowiest Oct day behind the good old Halloween Blizzard of '91. Nice.
Trends from the HRRR/RAP are shedding some uncertainty into the going winter storm forecast. Both of these models have nudged the central MN snow band north a tad, keeping the heaviest snow north of AXN. They have also bumped QPF totals down a bit, with WAA precip farther southeast likely impacting quality of moisture available up there. However, haven`t changed the snow forecast much, as when looking at the GEFS plumes from 18z, it absolutely slams AXN over toward Mille Lacs, with snow totals off a 10:1 snow ratio ranging from 5-12 inches (RAP/HRRR fall below that range). Other bit of uncertainty the HRRR/RAP brings in is with where the zone of mixed precip ends up residing. Both have this zone ending up pretty close to Mankato up through the Twin Cities, east of our current advisory. That`s the bad news, the good news is the predominate p-type they produce with this mix is sleet, not freezing rain. Was on the fence about sweeping Watonwan, Blue Earth, Brown, and Nicollet counties into the advisory, where more freezing rain is depicted by the HRRR, but decided to wait and see if we actually see surface temps drop below freezing before the precip arrives.
Looks like some uncertainty with the going forecast, my guess is the advisory will be extended into the metro due to more issues with the mix as opposed to a liquid event
KMSP...It`s either going to be 35 and raining much of the day at MSP, or 33 with mostly sleet and freezing rain. We`re still keeping things on the milder side, but we could certainly more mix than currently indicated in the TAF.
The newest aviation forecast for MSP doesn’t really show much confidence for our weather tomorrow. Could be a messy one, pay attention!
Winter and snow???? Come roaring back in a week! Get your fall cleanup done this week with the mild temperatures. Because a week from today changes will be in the air.
So nobody’s talking about it.....I’ll start.....tomorrow is going to surprise many people! After such a long warm spell, clash of seasons about to commence. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 3-6” of snow in or near MSP tomorrow
Okay, friends of the weather. Here is what NOAA is cranking out for the Twin Cities Metro Tuesday, Oct 20: "Tuesday: Snow showers before 2pm, then rain and snow showers. High near 39. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible." We shall see! Maybe it's time for PWL to start dancing.
ReplyDelete6".....my guess
ReplyDeleteFirst, welcome everyone to another hopefully fun-filled season here at TMF! I hope everyone is staying safe and was able to enjoy the "off season". As for Tuesday, it is appearing at least a couple inches for the southern half of MN is looking likely. As always, time will tell! Let's get this season off to a snowy start!!
ReplyDeleteNewest GFS showing 6+ in and around the metro for Tuesday. Interesting times if that occurs. Would be the largest earliest snowfall EVER! Go big or go home!!
ReplyDeleteThe UKMET run that runs 144 hours is putting some serious snow down over the TC metro through next Saturday. Dont know how accurate it is.
ReplyDeleteSo the latest 12z models are in for Tuesday and they ALL show a healthy amount of snow as follows:
ReplyDelete-EURO 6+
-NAM 8+
-GFS 4+
-UKMET 7+
-GDPS(Canadian) 5+
Keep in mind 10/29/1905 was the last time we received 4+ in the Twin Cities(5.5”)
That 1905 date was the earliest 4” or more. We have received lesser snow amounts before 10/29, but this Tuesday COULD shatter the “earliest” significant snowfall. We shall see.
DeleteOh my goodness!! This didn't come out of nowhere, but seems to be gaining strength in a surprising fashion!!
ReplyDeleteMy dancing shoes are being dusted off and shined as we speak. The dancing will commence shortly. I might need to take this slowly as I am in "out of season" form, but trust me....dancing will happen very soon. Very soon!
Break a record - may as well! Bring it!!!
Good to be back and tracking winter entertainment with everyone!
ReplyDeleteWelcome Jaw...definitely agree!
DeleteNot to look ahead at all. But I seen on novaks page that some forecasters are already talking about a possible deadly blizzard next weekend with 1-2 feet of snow...I dont know how accurate it is but holy cow if that happens...
ReplyDeleteIn these uncertain and crazy times, it's nice to see all the familiar names again! Cheers to the start of the 2020-21 snow season!
ReplyDeleteNovak video tonight at 7 p.m. on FB to discuss tomorrow's snow event.
ReplyDeleteLooks like we’re still step up for our first dose of significant snows of the season for tomorrow and a record breaker for so early in a season. All the models I mentioned yesterday still have anywhere from 6-8+” from their 12z model runs.
ReplyDeleteThursday appears to be a strictly rain maker for the metro with perhaps a bit of snow to finish(good, health snows with this one in northern MN)
Late Saturday/Sunday could be another significant snow maker for Minnesota, with indications currently having Southern MN more inline for that snow.
Interesting week ahead for sure!!
Just watched most of Novak's video on FB. I like the one comment of 'Where's Bill?' Looks to be a wild week, and he said for those who don't get 'enough snow' tomorrow to be happy that there are more chances through the weekend with possible thunderstorms Thursday, esp. in the southern part of the state. Roller coaster to be sure. He's still got the metro in the 3-5" tally. And he may do an update video tomorrow. Maybe he will come onto the blog here, and I hope I got my facts straight!
ReplyDeleteThat is 3-5" with the Tuesday storm.
DeleteHoly cow the GFSv16 is dropping 12 inches over the TC in the run just coming in.
ReplyDeleteSo what’s the dealio with the potential weekend storm? Novak is being a bit cryptic with how people should make plans, but he also called talk of a mega storm “fake news.” Thoughts? I’m a follower but not someone with the time to analyze models.
ReplyDeleteThose that were posting about a mega storm were showing run total snowfall amounts, that indeed showed close to 2 feet per the Gem, but remember that was the total for two storms. Seems as if the models are starting to show higher QPF for tomorrows event. We could see some pretty good dynamic cooling from the precip falling through the column. Wouldn't be surprised to see a upgrade to a warning.
DeleteMan I thought the same thing a bit earlier Randy.
DeleteWelcome back sir!
Some subtle changes to the going forecast as the snow is about to fly in regards to any upgrade to a warning. Forecast snowfall increased to 5-7” from the original 3-5”. Also this was discussed in this morning’s AFD.... Hi- res models indicate the potential for a
Deleteband of slightly higher accumulations (pushing Warning-criteria
amounts) as 700-600mb mid- level frontogenesis flourishes between
18Z-21z as corroborated by an impressive pocket of progged -15C
omega over central MN.
Going to be an interesting day with some surprises!
I would be surprised to see us upgraded to a warning. The ground is still warm; it will take awhile to stick and it will melt from the bottom up. I don't think the travel impact will be warning criteria, but I'm glad my husband is working from home today!
DeleteIve been tracking these since Sept 25.
ReplyDeletePopcorn in hand
aka unit28
Peace out....
Some will be baffled....
ReplyDeleteNWS bumped it up to 5-7 inches now
ReplyDeleteHere it comes...
ReplyDeleteLet's just break the all-time October record with is 8.2 (?) on October 31 as part of the Halloween Blizzard.
ReplyDeleteLet's do this. Radar is impressive! Bring it!!!!!
That would be something else! NWS has upped the evening snow totals, so anything is possible. 3-5 today and 1-3 tonight metro current forecast........
DeleteComing down hard in Eden Prairie now.
ReplyDeleteAs Randy and I suspected, we now have a WINTER STORM WARNING going right thru the heart of the metro!!
ReplyDeleteMaybe,just maybe PWL will get his wish and break the October record!
Snowing moderately in Maple Grove/Plymouth. Everything is white! Too bad it looks like Thursday's storm will wash it all away. Although, I concede today's snowfall is early even for the metro, given the average high temperature now is still in the mid-50's. However, a guy can still dream!! Let it snow!
ReplyDeleteJust took 5 measurements here in Plymouth. All of them came in at 6 inches...and counting!
ReplyDeleteA solid 6 inches in Waconia and still snowing, though the last heavy band has moved out.
ReplyDeleteAny chance of Thursday's storm coming farther south and giving the metro more snow?
ReplyDeleteWith the current trends there is a possibility MSP may receive some snow on Thursday before switching to rain/sleet.
Delete9 inches so far here in Burnsville with light snow still falling
ReplyDeleteWhat a sweet snow event. KARE11 reports that the 7.4" at the MSP airport breaks a daily record AND is the most snow recorded this early AND pulls into second place as 2nd snowiest Oct day behind the good old Halloween Blizzard of '91. Nice.
ReplyDeleteShifts in Thursday's track continues. GFS brining wintry mix into the metro now with the snow line not far away.
ReplyDelete
ReplyDelete.UPDATE...
Issued at 911 PM CDT Wed Oct 21 2020
Trends from the HRRR/RAP are shedding some uncertainty into the
going winter storm forecast. Both of these models have nudged the
central MN snow band north a tad, keeping the heaviest snow north
of AXN. They have also bumped QPF totals down a bit, with WAA
precip farther southeast likely impacting quality of moisture
available up there. However, haven`t changed the snow forecast
much, as when looking at the GEFS plumes from 18z, it absolutely
slams AXN over toward Mille Lacs, with snow totals off a 10:1 snow
ratio ranging from 5-12 inches (RAP/HRRR fall below that range).
Other bit of uncertainty the HRRR/RAP brings in is with where the
zone of mixed precip ends up residing. Both have this zone ending
up pretty close to Mankato up through the Twin Cities, east of our
current advisory. That`s the bad news, the good news is the
predominate p-type they produce with this mix is sleet, not
freezing rain. Was on the fence about sweeping Watonwan, Blue
Earth, Brown, and Nicollet counties into the advisory, where more
freezing rain is depicted by the HRRR, but decided to wait and see
if we actually see surface temps drop below freezing before the
precip arrives.
Looks like some uncertainty with the going forecast, my guess is the advisory will be extended into the metro due to more issues with the mix as opposed to a liquid event
ReplyDeleteKMSP...It`s either going to be 35 and raining much of the day at
MSP, or 33 with mostly sleet and freezing rain. We`re still
keeping things on the milder side, but we could certainly more mix
than currently indicated in the TAF.
The newest aviation forecast for MSP doesn’t really show much confidence for our weather tomorrow. Could be a messy one, pay attention!
Winter and snow???? Come roaring back in a week! Get your fall cleanup done this week with the mild temperatures. Because a week from today changes will be in the air.
ReplyDeleteAre you telling me 2020 might have more surprises for us?
DeleteI will definitely take today's 70 degrees. Wow!
ReplyDeleteThe Halloween Blizzard.
ReplyDeleteSo nobody’s talking about it.....I’ll start.....tomorrow is going to surprise many people! After such a long warm spell, clash of seasons about to commence. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 3-6” of snow in or near MSP tomorrow
ReplyDeleteYeah, NWS put out a Winter Storm Watch that includes the metro... time for a new thread!
ReplyDeleteI have added a new thread for Tuesday's fun.
ReplyDelete